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Old 10-31-2014, 07:53 AM
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Hello,

I have not yet taken the plunge and ordered a CAMaster yet. As a small cabinet shop (me and two part time teenage sons), which options should I really consider when ordering? I'd like the 5x8 or 10, ATC, Phenolic grid, vacuum table, pretty much all the bells and whistles, but they really hike up the price. I'm on a budget of <$50k, but as a business, should only spend what I need. X3 looks appealing but I don't think two routers with one spindle is going to satisfy what I need to get done w/o constant tool changes. Please give some feedback from other cabinet shops! Thank you!
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Old 10-31-2014, 07:57 AM
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you are right go 5:08 ATC check my sites and call if you would like 803 518 2074
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Old 10-31-2014, 03:51 PM
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I do blind-dado cases with X3 all day.

T1=3/8" compression
T2=5mm drill
T3=1/4" downshear

Only time I change tools is to put in the fly cutter to plane off the spoilboard. Other tool changes are for playtime and they don't take more than 2 minutes.

Get the biggest spindle, and biggest vacuum you can afford. I wish I'd gotten a phenolic or aluminum plenum grid, the MDF plenum board changes thickness throughout the day with changes in humidity and temperature.

I don't know how many 5x10 sheets you cut, but I haven't regretted getting the 4x8 table.

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he is right about the x3,, i owned one of the first ones built, Much of the work i am known for was done with that machine.

but they were heavier like the cobras and mine was a 5 foot table, it is a fully capable machine for all cabinet needs, the only place i felt short was the fourth bit for the mdf doors.

that said i am really tickled with my ATC 508,, i love the room of a 5 foot wide table (just a preference) and the ATC is a dream !
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:28 PM
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I like the idea of phenolic table. I was thinking that I might be able to start off with the 1"MDF it comes with and upgrade it later. I should be able to get one thick sheet or two sheets locally, epoxy them together, and then route a plenum grid on the router myself. Anybody have another suggestion or reason not to proceed this way?

As far as vacuum hold down goes, Busch pumps is right here in VaBch and I have already talked to them about getting an oiless, rotary claw pump.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:29 AM
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I think that's a good plan of attack re: the phenolic. I know the big sheets can be pretty expensive so that's why I haven't upgraded mine yet.

For what it's worth, I'm really happy with my FPZ blower.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:40 AM
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I got mine with the Mdf Plenum, I have a full size 1" thick 5 x 10 piece of phenolic leaning up against a wall for two years now, never got around to switching nor have I ever needed to.

I skimmed my plenum and glued the 1" (skimmed both sides) mdf spoil board down a good year ago and cutting the volume we do still have .625 left in thickness. I cannot do that with the phenolic so I may never switch


Also we will be cutting cabs early this week I will let you know the times on monday
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Old 11-01-2014, 01:09 PM
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Jim, how much was that piece of phenolic you're not using? I mainly am considering phenolic b/c the MDF is porous and I'm told it increases vacuum leakage/loss.
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